revised suspension settings

[gixerkiller]

here is a revised suspension set-up list.......this is a STARTING point guys. don't take it as the truth of all things. start here and expiriment.

the 600 series first:

cbr 600f/f-sport

front

comp.....................................3/4 turn out
rebound.................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag............................1 line showing


rear

comp.....................................1/2 turn out
rebound.................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag............................position 6 of 7

cbr 600f-t

front

comp....................................not adjustable
rebound................................full in
preload.................................full in

rear

comp....................................full in
rebound................................full in
preload/sag...........................position 7 of 7

note: 8mm of fork above the top clamp for track use, 5mm for road

cbr 600f-x

front

comp....................................1 turn out
rebound................................3/4 turn out
preload/sag...........................2 lines showing/35mm of sag

rear

comp....................................1/2 turn out
rebound................................1 turn out
preload/sag...........................position 3, 10mm of sag


cbr 600f-v/w

front

comp......................................non adjustable
rebound..................................1/2 turn out (track 1/4 turn out)
preload/sag.............................2 lines showing (track 1 line)

rear

comp......................................1/2 turn out
rebound..................................1/4 turn out
preload/sag.............................position 3

cbr 600rr

front

comp.......................................1-1/2 turns out
rebound...................................2 turns out
preload/sag..............................2 lines showing

rear

comp......................................5 clicks out
rebound..................................1-1/4 turns out
preload...................................position 4

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cbr 900rr-t/v

front

comp...........................................1/2 turn out
rebound........................................1 turn out
preload/sag...................................1 line showing

rear

comp.............................................1/2 turn out
rebound.........................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag....................................position 6 of 7

additional..............5mm of fork leg above the top clamp excludind fork cap/2mm for road

cbr 900rr-w

front

comp.........................................1-1/4 turns out
rebound.....................................1 turn out
preload/sag................................3 lines (12mm of adjuster showing) static sag: 31mm

rear

comp.........................................1/4 turn out
rebound.....................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag................................position 4 of 7, position 3 with a pasenger or if you weigh more than 190

cbr 900rr 2000-01

front

comp............................................3/4 turn out
rebound........................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag...................................2 lines showing (4mm from bottom of preload nut to top of fork cap)


rear

comp............................................full in
rebound........................................3/4 turn out
preload/sag...................................position 7 of 9


cbr 900rr 2002

front

comp..............................................3 turns out (track 1 turn out)
rebound..........................................2 turns out
preload/sag.....................................11 turns out ( 9 turns for track)

rear

comp..............................................1 turn out
rebound..........................................2 turns out
preload/sag.....................................position 6


cbr 900rr 2004

front

comp..................................................2-1/4 turn out
rebound..............................................2-1/4 turn out
preload/sag.........................................full in/34mm of sag

rear

comp.....................................................14 clicks out from full in
rebound.................................................3-3/4 turns out
preload/sag............................................position 6, (8mm of sag)



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[Calkidd]

Great thread info...I made it a sticky....

[gixerkiller]

Great thread info...I made it a sticky....

why sticky? no harm can come from this unless someone brings up octane or calls this thread.......GAY!!!:D

[jawhn]

Oh. Dear. God.

Snicker.

Um.

That's... Um...

Nope, not gonna go there. But it is important to have the 16" front wheel! :rolleyes:

[gixerkiller]

Oh. Dear. God.

Snicker.

Um.

That's... Um...

Nope, not gonna go there. But it is important to have the 16" front wheel! :rolleyes:

you frogot the tiger cubs and the special yellow paint.....:D

[Lucho]

Hey, GixerKiller,
just one question:
this turn outs are from soft or hard side?

[Stealth]

Out...ie it's wound full IN when you start, ie from fullhard.

[Doright]

GixerKiller

What kinda settings should my 2004 CBR1000RR start with for the road?
Also if I take a notch or two out of my rear spring will this drop the rear end a little? the bike is a little tall for me as is.
And if so im sure this will change every thing on my set up right?
Im a short fat kinda guy 5-9 195lbs :pound

[cuervo brazil]

You may also look at the sportrider´s page on internet.
they have all sugested settings for several bikes and years :V

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_suspension_settings/index.html

you can also find interesting articles like riding skills etc.

Take care.

[gixerkiller]

You may also look at the sportrider´s page on internet.
they have all sugested settings for several bikes and years :V

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_suspension_settings/index.html

you can also find interesting articles like riding skills etc.

Take care.


the settings i posted are generic track tested settings some are spot on track settings from fusa wmrra and cmmra. the sport rider settings a usualy done by the little japanese guy who weighs in at about 150. his settings are crap for bigger riders and for track use.

good STARTING point but don't ever take magazine settings as absolute truth.......those guys are PAID to promote bikes no matter how crappy they are. this is why the euro mags have such a big following in the us now.

[cuervo brazil]

Oh, yeah.... you´re right....
I didn´t try to make someone using those settings, just putting some info that may help...:reallyscared
In any case, the best way to find the correct settings is to start from stock and experiment changing settings until you find the right one for you... and your weight...
I didn´t know sportrider published info from japanese testers...I thought they´d have their own american/european testers ;DOH

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Take care

[gixerkiller]

Oh, yeah.... you´re right....
I didn´t try to make someone using those settings, just putting some info that may help...:reallyscared
In any case, the best way to find the correct settings is to start from stock and experiment changing settings until you find the right one for you... and your weight...
I didn´t know sportrider published info from japanese testers...I thought they´d have their own american/european testers ;DOH

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Take care

sportrider has a japanese guy working for them. as far as the info they post.........all the guys live and ride in southern california.

the only input they get from "proper" testers is the race news.
otherwise it is all watered down american press crap.

at least they don't test sport bikes next to hardley's

[cuervo brazil]

Do you know a bike mag with technical info we could take seriously ??
your 2 cents ???

Thanks gixerkiller, from the southest part of earth.

Take care

[gixerkiller]

Do you know a bike mag with technical info we could take seriously ??
your 2 cents ???

Thanks gixerkiller, from the southest part of earth.

Take care

superbike
performance bike
fastbike
t.w.o
mcn

basicaly mags from the uk ( not france the cheese eating surrender monkeys can't even write good reviews) or japan will give you the best info.......but buy and read at least 2 of the mags....gives you a better grasp on the truth.

[johnnyblade]

My friend wants to set up his r1's suspension now that I have adjusted mine with gixerkillers help .. do you have settings for an 03 r1? he is a bit larger than me he weighs around 210.

[gixerkiller]

My friend wants to set up his r1's suspension now that I have adjusted mine with gixerkillers help .. do you have settings for an 03 r1? he is a bit larger than me he weighs around 210.

yeah i should (got aprilla through suzuki) have a base setting for a 160 to 190 pound guy. this would be a starting point. let me check.......i'll post it a bit later.

[ghst]

When I got my 600RR it already had Race tech internals and an Ohlins rear. The bike feels great to me but I ran into the prior owner at the last CCS event. He stated that I should try some changes. The bike is set up for 185 # rider, 200 w/ gear. I really don't wanna dink with it, Hell, I don't wanna crash because of I didn't know what I was doing with susp. but I'd like to see if it gets better than it is.

Advice?

[gixerkiller]

When I got my 600RR it already had Race tech internals and an Ohlins rear. The bike feels great to me but I ran into the prior owner at the last CCS event. He stated that I should try some changes. The bike is set up for 185 # rider, 200 w/ gear. I really don't wanna dink with it, Hell, I don't wanna crash because of I didn't know what I was doing with susp. but I'd like to see if it gets better than it is.

Advice?

if i remember right racetech has a set-up guide on the web page. this is the best way to set-up the improved bouncers.

or you can pay a guy to come to every race and set your bike up......$$$$$$.

[gixerkiller]

My friend wants to set up his r1's suspension now that I have adjusted mine with gixerkillers help .. do you have settings for an 03 r1? he is a bit larger than me he weighs around 210.


here is the start point.

REAR SHOCK (road)

preload-5th notch out of 9

rebound-3/4 turns out from full in

compression-fully turned in

REAR SHOCK (track)

same as above except preload. track will be 7th notch out of 9


FRONT FORKS (road)

preload-4 lines showing

rebound-3/4 turn out from full in

compression-1 turn out from full in

tyre pressure at 34 front 39 rear

FRONT FORKS (track)

same except preload, tyre pressure and fork height

preload-2 lines showing
tyre pressure 31 front 30 rear.
fork height should be- 3mm above the top yoke


03 R-1 SUSPENSION ISSUES

the front springs are to soft and there is not enough rebound dampening.
recomend new springs for riders wieght and type of riding plus fit new valves in the cartrige and replace the hydralic bumpstops.

the rear spring is a bit weak for "weight challenged" people. compression is weak as well. this makes the bike squat comming out of corners making the bike feel twitchy and/or nervous on bumpy roads.

there is no cure for this other than replacing the unit.

[gixerkiller]

bump for all you too lazy to use the search.

[RAZOR]

I heard that the roads over there(read USA) are nice and smooth? the roads here in Australia are pretty bad and smooth roads are few and far between, I have had the suspension revalued with racetech internals and springs to suit my 89Kgs (196 pounds) have raised the rear ride height approx. 25-30mm and dropped the triple clamps down 7mm on the forks. This rides fantastic for me and preload is set with 30mm of sag front and rear.

Get the preload right first then start with standard factory settings, change one thing at a time and you will learn a lot.

[hondaroller69]

here is a revised suspension set-up list.......this is a STARTING point guys. don't take it as the truth of all things. start here and expiriment.

cbr 900rr-t/v

front

comp...........................................1/2 turn out
rebound........................................1 turn out
preload/sag...................................1 line showing

rear

comp.............................................1/2 turn out
rebound.........................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag....................................position 6 of 7

additional..............5mm of fork leg above the top clamp excludind fork cap/2mm for road

cbr 900rr-w

front

comp.........................................1-1/4 turns out
rebound.....................................1 turn out
preload/sag................................3 lines (12mm of adjuster showing) static sag: 31mm

rear

comp.........................................1/4 turn out
rebound.....................................1/2 turn out
preload/sag................................position 4 of 7, position 3 with a pasenger or if you weigh more than 190


rebound..........................................2 turns out
preload/sag.....................................position 6


I HAVE OTHERS FOR ALL MAKES......HONDAS/KAWKS/YAMIES/SUSUKS/DUCS/TRUMPETS.

POST UP IF YOU NEED A STARTING POINT

Sorry for the newbness gixer (and I hope you still answer this even though it's a sticky), but I don't know how to tell which 900 I have by the versions you listed. I would like to adjust my suspension being a large guy 230#. I have a 94 900RR and if there is more info you need I will be glad to get it. I am mechanically inclined but not sure how to interpret your directions correctly as to not screw up adjusting. I've downloaded the manual and have the Haynes book for reference though I haven't read them entirely. If there is a detailed instruction there then just let me know.
Thanks for the help.!!

[gixerkiller]

Sorry for the newbness gixer (and I hope you still answer this even though it's a sticky), but I don't know how to tell which 900 I have by the versions you listed. I would like to adjust my suspension being a large guy 230#. I have a 94 900RR and if there is more info you need I will be glad to get it. I am mechanically inclined but not sure how to interpret your directions correctly as to not screw up adjusting. I've downloaded the manual and have the Haynes book for reference though I haven't read them entirely. If there is a detailed instruction there then just let me know.
Thanks for the help.!!

look at your vin plate the 8th or 9th digit (it will be a letter) will give you the model designation

you could also call a honda dealer and ask them what the unit alfabet code is for the years.

with suzuki it was simple....93to 95 gsx-rs were w models (w ment water cooled) when they reached 2000 the gsx-r designation became k1,k2,k3,k4,k5,k6,k7 and now k8.

kawasakis are the same it is the 8th or 9th on the vin plate that tell what you have.

[hondaroller69]

Thanks for quick reply gixxer.

I have my vin number in front of me and the 8th/9th digit is a number. The 10th and 11th (from left to right) is a letter. 10th is R and 11th is M. Hope this will help if not let me know.

Thanks again for your help.

[gixerkiller]

Thanks for quick reply gixxer.

I have my vin number in front of me and the 8th/9th digit is a number. The 10th and 11th (from left to right) is a letter. 10th is R and 11th is M. Hope this will help if not let me know.

Thanks again for your help.

looking at the honda spec book for 00 to 04 the 9th letter is the designator

so JH2SC440*YM000001

the astrik is the designator

in the US the 8th number designates CALIFORNIA emissions or 49 state emissions

call a local honda shop if they cant tell ya then call honda.

[hondaroller69]

I'll give the local honda a call tomorrow to find out about my 94 900rr.

Thanks,

[Bo]

The 94 should be (900RR(R) http://www.rrzone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2327&d=1172544206

[hondaroller69]

The 94 should be (900RR(R) http://www.rrzone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2327&d=1172544206

Your right Bo and if I read the document correctly then my bike was actually built in 93 in japan and probably sold here in 94. But, my VIN# doesn't agree with information that gixxer is providing so I can adjust my suspension accordingly. I realize it's for reference but at least I would know how to adjust for myself.

I tried calling the Honda motorcycle dealer in Charlotte, NC but the tech guy said that the VIN # was used for identification purposes only and not for any type of referal for settings suspension or otherwise.

I'll try your other suggestion gixxer.

Thanks,

[gixerkiller]

Your right Bo and if I read the document correctly then my bike was actually built in 93 in japan and probably sold here in 94. But, my VIN# doesn't agree with information that gixxer is providing so I can adjust my suspension accordingly. I realize it's for reference but at least I would know how to adjust for myself.

I tried calling the Honda motorcycle dealer in Charlotte, NC but the tech guy said that the VIN # was used for identification purposes only and not for any type of referral for settings suspension or otherwise.

I'll try your other suggestion gixxer.

Thanks,

thats right what you need is the letter that designates year.

and model

like a gsxr, 93-96 was gsx-r 750w....w for watercooled

but i happen to have a 95 right here

the vin is JS1GR7BA1S2101357

the 10th letter on suzukis is year

so JS1GR7BA1S2101357 s gives us 95

for model and engine type on suzukis it is the 5th and 6th digits

so JS1GR7BA1S2101357 gives you a 750 (this will always match the first numbers on the motor if original)

post up your vin in my pm if you are nervous and i will decipher it for you

[hondaroller69]

Sorry for taking so long to respond back. Had to work all day Saturday and put my fairings back on after work. Just got them fixed and primered to be painted later this month. I will pm you gixer with vin #.

Thanks for your help.!!

[gothy]

hey guy's

My suspension is set up for track I think.

I want to set it back to normal standard settings.

I have 94 forks fitted. And (finally) a standard 94 shock in there too.
How would I go about adjusting it.

If It helps for rider weight, im 12 stone ish.

[NDMBlackBlade]

That is the million dollar question.... suspension adjusting !
I have read a lot on the Internet about suspension and there's so many different opinions out there. I don't disagree with a lot of whats said but i do think most people simply read about suspension and then decide what they think is right and wrong.
Suspension is something i have studied for years, on road bikes up and down from work, on track days here and abroad, on race days at home and away. I have been lucky enough to visit the Ohlins factory in Sweden to study the doing fuck all even further.
I could write a book, a very big book on suspension settings and the dynamics of a motorcycle.
Anyhow that's a little back ground... back to the question...
There is no right and wrong way to set suspension ! simple as that. If it works for YOU its right.
There are a few guide lines you should try keep within. Static sag is the single most important setting on the bike. once you have this set you can start adjusting your damping. Difference types of bikes need different sag, but we,ll stick with sports bikes for the minute. 25 30 mm front 10 15mm rear. no rider just the bike on its own, carrying its own weight, then lifted off the ground and topped out, there are quite a few stock and after market forks and shocks that have strong top out springs. When you have the bike off the ground push down on the wheel to fully extend the suspension (ideally you need to remove the springs, measure them, refit them, measure them again and this gives you the preload on the spring, equally as important as sag, but lets try keep it simple as) Right thats your sag set.
There are not many sports bikes that wont fall into these settings. Lets not get into spring rates at the minute. As a general rule jap stuff has soft springs and European has hard springs.
We have all jumped on a bike straight off and got that FEEL, a bike that responds well, is controlled and behaves. that's what your looking for when you start adj the damping.
A good way to start is to push down on the bike, front or rear and get a feel for it. close the the rebound valve, and do it again, if the shock works it will return real slow, adj a few clicks at a time until you can see little or no resistance, then adj back in a little bit, like a clutch you are looking for the bite. If you not sure less is more.
Compression is much harder to feel and set, as a rough guide count the setting on your bike and set the comp in the middle.
Once you have this done find a nice stretch of road you know and like and spin up and down, try different settings on rebound and comp, only do one thing at a time and do adjust in big steps, four clicks or one full turn. you will start to feel what works what.
As i said before there is no right and wrong way to do it. You can play away on your bike and get her spot on... give the bike to your mate and he wont be able to ride it... Its a personal thing, everybody is different.
The single biggest factor in suspension is you. If it feels good, it is good.
Regards....

[johnnyblade]

cbr 900rr 2002

front

comp..............................................3 turns out (track 1 turn out)
rebound..........................................2 turns out
preload/sag.....................................11 turns out ( 9 turns for track)


So im supposed to tighten the preload nut all the way down until it cant tighten anymore then back it out 11 full turns?