Dragging a peg.......

[sonik_fury]

I dragged my right footpeg today for the first time on my 954:D How much room did I have left? Was I pushing too hard? I usually come into this corner @ 30mph today I was pushing a little harder and went through @ 33-35mph. I was trying to "flick it in" as suggested in my book(twist of the wrist 2) and then I felt the footpeg drag, so I closed the throttle a little (I know I shouldn't have done that), and I felt the bike weave a little underneath me. I'm pretty sure it was just the suspension moving, it didn't feel like the tires were slipping. Coming out of the corner I was shaken up a little until I realized that I made it through unscathed and I was soooo stoked.......so my question was how much farther can you push it or is that about it? Thanks

Tire: Pilot Powers
Rearsets: Stock

[Blademan]

Well you can push it all the way until just before ya fall !! OK had to be said.

I would look at your rear tire. If there is any unused portion on the side that will tell ya how much more you can use. I yanked those feelers off my pegs

[CharlieHo]

First, ask yourself if you're getting off the bike enough. If you sit straight up in the saddle, you can drag hardware and not be doing anything spectacular, except not crashing.;)

If you're getting off the bike properly, you can drag knee without ever touching the feeler. If you're already dragging knee, take the feelers off. When you start dragging without feelers, check the sides of your boots frquently. Those replaceable pieces are replaceable for a reason:V

[sonik_fury]

I slide half of my ass of the seat and just naturally let my knee hang. I also had the balls of me feet tucked tightly up on the peg so they didn't touch much at all, barely scuffed. From the remarks there's obviously still some room to go. Cool, cause it didn't seem like I was going crazy fast. Me and some friends have been setting up a camera at certain turns behind the local airport. After watching the videos you could tell there was alot of lean angle left. So we started going through the corners faster. Watching the video again and adjusting our technique. Today I was just running through for practice and started pushing and for the first time ever touched down. Keep the pointers coming....

[ghst]

You may find some of this interesting.

http://forums.superbikeschool.com/lofiversion/index.php/

[speedextreme]

I have found out that when I drag my knee it gives me a good "feeling" about when my "stock" feeler will hit. I can almost tell when it will.

BUT, one word of advice though. STOP THINKING ABOUT SCRAPPING ANYTHING!!!!!! If you are thinking about that, you will fixate on it and you will never get it too happen. I was doing that after the first time I scraped knee. Thinking I know I can do it again, every stinking turn after that I F'd up big time, cuz I was thinking I was going to scrape knee again.

So be carefull, like it was said, check your "chicken strips" on the rear and front tires. If you don't have any.....you don't have that much more you can lean the bike before you run out of contact patch. And the rear will usually go out on you first. But if you have like an 1/8"-1/4" left, you got plenty to go. I have scraped both knees and both feelers nuts off on mine. And it allways happens when I am not thinking about it.

I was going thru the only "clover leaf" style on ramp a while back. One of our local turn routes. Been doin it for YEARS!! Have never scraped peg in it. It is a banked right hand tight turn. Well a buddy was right on my ass, so I said "F it", and twisted the wrist a little more than normal, and mid turn scraped the peg harder than hell. Spooked me soo much that I picked the bike up out of the turn and went straight over the "sloped" 8" high divider between the on ramp and the hwy lane of traffic. Luckily unscathed except for the accident in my shorts!!!

[Stealth]

How much further?

Well the first thing you'll hit on that side is the exhaust at the forward flange. You've added an after market can which is thinner so a littler further than stock bikes. I think you'll find you can scrape way most of the feeler before hitting the pipe. The other side is better.

Personally, IMHO I won't remove the peg feelers becuase they are telling me too cool it - I am getting too close to disaster - esp on the road. After a while you'll get used to how far you can go to just touch the pegs and stay just above that limit. IMHO etc.

[ghst]

BUT, one word of advice though. STOP THINKING ABOUT SCRAPPING ANYTHING!!!!!! If you are thinking about that, you will fixate on it and you will never get it too happen. I was doing that after the first time I scraped knee. Thinking I know I can do it again, every stinking turn after that I F'd up big time, cuz I was thinking I was going to scrape knee again......

Agreed, First time I did it it just happened... in leathers with no pucks. Was red in that area but turned it pink. ;DOH See my avatar... I still do it but as soon as the knee hits i'll bring it up a bit. In that pic I am way further off the bike than I really need to be.

[gixerkiller]

get rid of the hero stick on the foot bar and you will most likely never drag again.

i usualy hit toe slider before peg and i know the bike is cranked over to the edge break of the tyre.....in fact the left ti slider is scuffed from sundays blast.

[speedextreme]

You know, I don't mind the "curb feelers" on the stock pegs. I actually like scrapping them. When I do scrape them, I know I am really close to "full lean" and can't go much more. SO it is a nice judge for me and I don't have to pay that much attention and just concern myself with the corner. Scraping doesn't really scare me unless it is in a corner I haven't done it in yet??!!

[johnnyblade]

If you are dragging pegs around curves shouldnt you correct your body positioning? seems like that would cure the wobbles you explained.
more weight on the inside peg and more throttle

[gixerkiller]

If you are dragging pegs around curves shouldnt you correct your body positioning? seems like that would cure the wobbles you explained.
more weight on the inside peg and more throttle


yes and no......when you touch peg you are supposed to be "hanging off" a bit with all your pressure on the peg you are not touching with your ass about 3mm off the seat getting ready for the "swing".

if you force it over and "deck" the peg you will get a wiggle of wobble or even have it lever the tail off the ground a bit.

when you drag anything you should be relaxed and smooth. quick suddend movement are a recipe for disaster.

[blayne]

does it count if the only scrape on my hero knob is from a stoppie gone wrong?


my tyres are worn right to the edge yet i never get the knee down and usually scrape my toe slider before the hero knob. i've got a cornering style that works well for those with bad backs and worse knees.

i've busted both knees through work and hate the thought of that pain again. my knees will stay up against the fairing just nicely

[ghst]

does it count if the only scrape on my hero knob...........

:reallyscared DUDE... ya never wanna scrape your Hero Knob! :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound :pound

[johnnyblade]

yes and no......when you touch peg you are supposed to be "hanging off" a bit with all your pressure on the peg you are not touching with your ass about 3mm off the seat getting ready for the "swing".

ok gix ya lost me on this one, I thought you were to weight the inside peg to make the bike lean? putting weight on the outside peg would stand the bike back up wouldnt it?

[gixerkiller]

[QUOTE=gixerkiller;33758]yes and no......when you touch peg you are supposed to be "hanging off" a bit with all your pressure on the peg you are not touching with your ass about 3mm off the seat getting ready for the "swing".

ok gix ya lost me on this one, I thought you were to weight the inside peg to make the bike lean? putting weight on the outside peg would stand the bike back up wouldnt it?


no, you put all your weight on the opposite peg.

example: left hand corrner.......ass up off the seat knee out and loose right hand pulling the bar while the left pushes.

this is counter steering. the front end must go the othr direction to turn left in this case. if you put all your weight on the left peg you are cancleing out your input from the bars which makes the bike tougher to "flick" side to side.

you also get a hell of alot of arm pump because you're having to work to hard to transition your corrners.

the sore muscles should be your legs, stomach, tri cepts, mid back, and hands.

the reason is your standing on the pegs not sitting in the seat and your using the stomach to pull your body against the forces of accel and decell. tris cause of the counter steer mid back also cause of counter steer and the hands because of lever movements and position changes.

the bikes natural state is were you put it. in simple terms it is called push and pull riding.

PUSH the peg AWAY from you PULL the same side handle bar to you.

it is simple in action but kinda technical and long in description

[sonik_fury]

Just buy Keith Code's book Twist of the Wrist vol.1&2. Plenty of info on cornering. By the way, you want to weight the inside peg to initiate the turn and then weight the outside peg through the turn.;)