PC III Maps?

[Dr.Feelgood]

Hey all,
I just installed a PCIII USB yesterday and made about a dozen dyno runs to get it right... Since my bike is basically stock with a Micron can, we started with the map from the web that matched. We made an increase at 3000rpm & at 100% throttle from 16 to 20 (I don't know what that's a measurement of, but the guy tuning seemed to know)... Other than that, we played with adding fuel from the PCIII module. I guess it made a difference in response, but I didn't see much of an increase in hp. I started with 120.3hp, and through tuning we ended at 122.5hp... All these runs were done without ever moving the bike on the dyno, only making adjustments to the PCIII.

Last spring I was on the same dyno and it ran 126.5hp. I know you can't compare dyno numbers unless they're all done at the same time (without moving the bike etc) but I still thought the 120.3 and 122.5 were a little low... So I guess my questions are...

1. What kind of numbers are some of you seeing (basically stock with a slip-on, & PCIII).

2. Does anyone have maps they've created that wouldn't mind sharing? I can always go back to what I have now, in like 30 seconds... I love that aspect of the PCIIIusb!

3. And most importantly, what is my next step(s) to get more hp?!?!? I've been thinking NOS, but not sure I want to put that stress on my bike...

Any comments/suggestions are appreciated!!

Hey, I just started a new thread and never even mentioned octane!!! hahaha

Thanx
jeff

[Gator]

Octane did someone say octane? LOL

L8R,
Gator

[66droptop]

Summit Racing (www.summitracing.com) has a direct port wet kit for 4 cylinder bikes for $649. Comes with jets from 40hp to 100hp and a 2.5lb bottle (which ought to fit in a 900RR trunk, though I'm unsure about the 929/954). Wet DP kits are universal. If you don't want it on your bike any more, you can throw it on your car. A couple fittings and some lines, and you can make it work on a V8 too.
Nitrous Express 60005

You could go the dry route since you're EFI. That uses the throttle body to sense the increased air getting sprayed through it and assumes it will adapt by adding in the appropriate fuel. Simpler, cheaper, more prone to failure. I don't see one right now, but I was sure they offered them. If you buy one off Summit's site, be sure it's one for a 4 cylinder bike. Verify the details using the part number and Google.

SEE JAWHN!! OTHER PEOPLE LIKE NITROUS TOO!!

Edit: If you ran pure Toulene (114 octane), then I'm sure you'd have made probably 3, 4, maybe even 500 horsepower. On the stock tune too. :P

Originally Posted by Dr.Feelgood

Hey all,
I just installed a PCIII USB yesterday and made about a dozen dyno runs to get it right... Since my bike is basically stock with a Micron can, we started with the map from the web that matched. We made an increase at 3000rpm & at 100% throttle from 16 to 20 (I don't know what that's a measurement of, but the guy tuning seemed to know)... Other than that, we played with adding fuel from the PCIII module. I guess it made a difference in response, but I didn't see much of an increase in hp. I started with 120.3hp, and through tuning we ended at 122.5hp... All these runs were done without ever moving the bike on the dyno, only making adjustments to the PCIII.

Last spring I was on the same dyno and it ran 126.5hp. I know you can't compare dyno numbers unless they're all done at the same time (without moving the bike etc) but I still thought the 120.3 and 122.5 were a little low... So I guess my questions are...

1. What kind of numbers are some of you seeing (basically stock with a slip-on, & PCIII).

2. Does anyone have maps they've created that wouldn't mind sharing? I can always go back to what I have now, in like 30 seconds... I love that aspect of the PCIIIusb!

3. And most importantly, what is my next step(s) to get more hp?!?!? I've been thinking NOS, but not sure I want to put that stress on my bike...

Any comments/suggestions are appreciated!!

Hey, I just started a new thread and never even mentioned octane!!! hahaha

Thanx
jeff

here is the TRUTH about power commanders and power gains.

first did you have the micron pipe on the bike at the first dyno run?
if not part of your problem is the pipe.

now lets get into the pc. the truth about pc's and like fuel modification systems.
the pc is developed with the best intentions and ideas the problem is there is no REAL development of the units they are basicaly mass produced electronic boxes. now before any one gets nuts about this just read the rest first.
the way the power commander is set up is to make the fuel system run at a given air/fuel ratio[14.7:1]. this is fine if all you want is to balance the bike and make sure the motor is fueled properly.if you want power it is possible to gain power with a lot of dyno time and actualy making the runs but the full potential of the bike will never be released. now there are other systems in the works but for now we all get the power commander.
the issue that i have had with the pc on hondas is things like ,injection shut down at idle, pc looses idle map, pc faults the ecu, scattered fuel signal from the pc,etc,etc. the main issue i have found is not enough adjustment with the pc. yes i have one cause there is nothing else.
the theory behind the pc is sound but dyno jet is the issue cause they are the ones who are holding back on the development.
now as far as dyno and pc and power readings.....every dyno jet dyno or dynos that are basicaly copies all read different there are no two alike. if you want a true hp reading and consistant readings then you need to find a shop that uses the factory ec dyno check them out at www.factorypro.com for the FULL info on the pc and the dynos.

to everyone reading this I AM NOT ADVOCATING REMOVING OR RUNNING A MODIFIED BIKE WITHOUT A POWER COMMANDER. i am only sharing the info i have gathered from multiple sources.

here is something about the pc i just found. www.guzitech.com it's titled powercommanders the magic black box

[Dr.Feelgood]

66droptop and gixerkiller, Thanx for the info...

gixerkiller, yeah, the bike already had the Micron on it when I bought it last Feb... And the guy running the dyno, and doing the tuning, said almost exactly the same thing you did about power gain with a PC. Only thing was he said he hadn't seen or heard about that many problems. He had told me originally to not expect more than a 3 - 5 (max) hp increase. So the 2.5hp was no surprise. And like you said, right now it's all we have, so it is better than not running it, I think...

droptop - Well, if I could afford 114 octane, we both know I wouldn't NEED NOS!!! hahaha But since I can't, I’m kinda stuck on going the NOS route... I am just a little hesitant because of the stress it puts on the engine. But again maybe I'm being too cautious? I think if I stay around a 40 - 60 hp shot, I should be OK..? Any thoughts? Then my only complaint will be refilling the &^%$#! bottle every week!! hahaha Cause I know it'll be like a new toy, and get used a lot... I think I'd also go for the wet kit. I did some PC / LAN work for a guy who owns Carolina Cycle. They make their own wet kit, and he said he'd give me a deal on one... He mentioned about $500 for a complete kit, with a 1 or 2lb bottle (my choice). I figure I can't pass that up!! He also mentioned that I should have no problem installing it, but if I felt better about it, a guy in the shop does that on the side and charges something like $100 - $150 (and he's done like a million of them). so I'm thinking for about $700 (maybe less), I can have a wet kit installed... Now I may be wrong, but that sounds pretty good to me!! Plus next time a Busa pulls up at a red light, I might actually have something for him... hehehe

Thanx again for the input. Any other suggestions, I'm still listening...

jeff

Originally Posted by Dr.Feelgood

66droptop and gixerkiller, Thanx for the info...

gixerkiller, yeah, the bike already had the Micron on it when I bought it last Feb... And the guy running the dyno, and doing the tuning, said almost exactly the same thing you did about power gain with a PC. Only thing was he said he hadn't seen or heard about that many problems. He had told me originally to not expect more than a 3 - 5 (max) hp increase. So the 2.5hp was no surprise. And like you said, right now it's all we have, so it is better than not running it, I think...

droptop - Well, if I could afford 114 octane, we both know I wouldn't NEED NOS!!! hahaha But since I can't, I’m kinda stuck on going the NOS route... I am just a little hesitant because of the stress it puts on the engine. But again maybe I'm being too cautious? I think if I stay around a 40 - 60 hp shot, I should be OK..? Any thoughts? Then my only complaint will be refilling the &^%$#! bottle every week!! hahaha Cause I know it'll be like a new toy, and get used a lot... I think I'd also go for the wet kit. I did some PC / LAN work for a guy who owns Carolina Cycle. They make their own wet kit, and he said he'd give me a deal on one... He mentioned about $500 for a complete kit, with a 1 or 2lb bottle (my choice). I figure I can't pass that up!! He also mentioned that I should have no problem installing it, but if I felt better about it, a guy in the shop does that on the side and charges something like $100 - $150 (and he's done like a million of them). so I'm thinking for about $700 (maybe less), I can have a wet kit installed... Now I may be wrong, but that sounds pretty good to me!! Plus next time a Busa pulls up at a red light, I might actually have something for him... hehehe

Thanx again for the input. Any other suggestions, I'm still listening...

jeff

dude you should be able to destroy a busa untill max top speed is reached. if i can do it on a 33k mile 929 then yours SHOULD be a bit stronger. lower miles and all.