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    Default SSSA Conversion, and blackbird conversion

    Okay so my next thing I want to do is the sssa conversion. I found a parts bike here in my valley. what years fit? its a 1996 750vfr.

    will that year fit? and will this mod hold me back from putting the blackbird motor in my 9?
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    I know that a 97 sssa fit my 98 900rr


    And i plan on flowing this thread...id like to know if the 1100 effects the handling and if so how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn Demon View Post
    ...id like to know if the 1100 effects the handling and if so how much?
    Hoo boy, you have an exciting read ahead of you!

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    Default Re: SSSA Conversion, and blackbird conversion

    yes, that vfr swingarm is a bolt-on.
    however it will lengthen your wheelbase by about 3cm and can make the rear end pretty squishy with the longer lever.
    but by using the vfr800 early model, you can retain very close to original wheelbase. but that is not a bolt on. it's a lot of work.
    finally, if i'm not mistaken, that is a 5'' rear wheel. and to put a 180 tire you'd need to get a 5.5'' from a later model.


    but it's always a good project! keep us posted.

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    Default Re: SSSA Conversion, and blackbird conversion

    Thanks all, what year wheel would I need?

    okay I reasrched. cant find anything on if I can reuse my old shock and triangle. can I?
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    you need a wheel from a vfr that is fitted stock with a 180 tire. don't know the years.

    i think you have to reuse your old triangles & dogbones. otherwise, it's the vfr ones that work. mid to late 90s, until the vfr800s.

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    Check out my 'how to' mate

    HOW TO FIT A SSSA TO YOUR BLADE



    There are two types of 750 swing arm the one above is the one YOU DON'T WANT This was an expencive mistake I made, so double check with the vendor that the shock linkage is the same as your blade. The correct arm comes off a 94 to 96 VFR 750. Before 1994 they are wrong wrong wrong......... and you dont want that now do you!

    I'm not bitter



    The one on the left is the right arm, and the one on the right is wrong. they also have some codes on them that refer to the year of manufacture.



    MZ7 is the right code for the year you need



    M14 is not the code you want



    Back wheele out with a bunch of other stuff.



    This is the spacer 25mm outside dia with a 20mm hole through it, and 25mm long



    The spacer fits snugly into the right hand side of the swing arm. its easier to hold it in place with a little dollop of cream cheese or KY gel.



    Had to remove the padock stand to take the pressure off the swing arm so I can drop out the shock. Problem was the axel stands were to short. I knocked up a platform out of 50x50 and ply to lift them up a bit.



    Started to undo the bolts to drop the shock, then thought it might be a good idea to take a photo so I remember how it goes back together.

    I wish my woman was as dirty as that!



    So anyway, the shock is out and needs a bit of doing up, and the next thing to go is the swing arm.



    This is the castle nut you have to undo first.



    And you will need one of these sockets. I got this one off ebay for around $43.00



    Undo the castle nut and remove it from the swinging arm spindle. then as in this photo use a normal 27mm socket to undo the hex nut on the other side.



    Now go back to the first side and use a 11mm allen key socket to remove the centre spindle.



    Slide out the spindle, and drop out the swing arm. To completely remove the old arm you will need to split your chaine.



    Slip the new one back in with the 25mm spacer on the right hand side of the arm



    And prop the swing arm up on something proppy.



    Reinstall the shock and the linkage, but leave the top bolt of the shock untill last. Tighten up all the bolts that go through the bottom of the shock linkage, then gently lift, or lower the swing arm to locate the bolt through the top of the shock.

    I fucked about for ages trying to line up the bottom bolts, the penny droped, and it went straight in.

    Drrrrrrrr!!

    Once the top of the shock is dun up you can de-prop-ulate the back of the swing arm



    Look at all that room I have to put the zorsty bits in to.



    Could'nt resist putting on the rear hoop



    And there we are then. Swing arm in..... It was one of the easy jobs so far, just check you get the right swing arm and it will slot straight in with the addition of the spacer shown earlier...

    WHAT SPACER???

    Wernt you watching???



    This Fuckin spacer........... Oh never mind um going ome!
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    HOW TO FIND AN OFF SET



    Step 1.

    Lay the wheel on a flat surface hub face side up. It dont have to be level, just flat



    Step 2.

    Place a straight edge across the top of the tyre. This is so you can measure from the floor to the underside of the straight edge, and give you an overall width. Now depending what size tyre you use on your wheel will depend on averall width so dont go with my measurement unless you are using a 180 tyre.



    Step 3.

    I got 184mm, Make a note of the size on a bit of paper. I found it easier to make a sketch of the tyre and add a centre line, then add the dims to it.



    Step 4.

    Now measure down to the hub face, mine was 110mm. Now add that to the sketch.



    This sketch should make things a bit easier



    So

    Overall wheel width = 184mm (With the tyre on)
    and = 92mm to the centre of the VFR wheel
    I then laid the straight edge on top of the tyre and measured down to the hub face = 110mm
    so that is 18mm past centre. This 18mm is my existing offset,
    that being the case then new wheel offset = 40mm - 18mm = 22mm + 8mm spacer to centre VFR wheel, so new spacer is 30mm
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    How to change your wheel studs and fit a car wheel to your Single sided swing arm.


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    I thought it might be a bit easier to do the job if I removed the sprocket first and got the chain right out of the way.

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    They are the little buggers I need to get to [!]

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    So after I got the sprocket off the next thing to do was undo that big nut. I dont have a socket that big so used an adjustable wrench.
    Behind the nut is a washer that needs to be removed carefully with a flat screw driver. [8)]

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    Once they are off the hub should pull off.

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    With a soft mallet, tap out the hub from the splined side.

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    I used my Haines manuel, but now all you have to do is follow this, happy days!!!

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    OK, in my socket set I have a bunch of sockets with 7/8" and 1 1/4" bollocks on them. I dont use them, I dont like them, and I dont understand them so any chance I get to abuse them, I do just that.

    Anyway, I stuck one of them in my vice and tightend down on it

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    I then placed my disc hub onto the vice with the wheel stud sat inside the socket. You know whats comming next dont ya!!?? [B)]

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    A couple of sharp taps and out-ski she come-ski

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    Now up to now its only taken about half an hour, so not hard at all

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    And there they all are, including that 7/8" socket, retarded twat!!!!![!]

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    Now I have something I can go to my local car spairs shop with and ask for something a bit longer, Ow er Missus!! []

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    Hub is 8mm + 30mm spacer + new wheel, so I'm gonna need something to cope with all that

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    I'm gonna do it with two spacers, 1 x 20mm and 1 x 10mm, coz I'm not a clever git with a lathe that can make one. When the 20mm spacer arrived it was just a nats cock to small, so I went round the inside with a round back file and took off a very small amount.

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    Then it popped straight on, and was a nice snug fit.

    Right then, lets see if I can remember how this pile of nuts and bolts went together

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    peice of piss, there was fark all to taking it to bits, so putting it all back was a doddle.

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    The studs I used were 63mm long Ford studs (M12/1.5) The M12 is the size of the bolt and the 1.5 is the pitch of the thread. They have a 13.1mm spigot, thats the bit that bites into the hub. You'll need to drill out your hub to fit them, but if a numb nut like me can do it, then so can you.

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    I put the 20mm spacer on first as the back has hollow sections that sat nice over the disc rotor nuts. Then the 10mm spacer went on next.

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    Loads of room for the wheel, and plenty of thread fo my funkey wheel nuts, MAN!

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    Just need to get some rubber on my Inovit concept wheel and bung it on.

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    wont be long now! [8D]

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    My blade with a SSSA and car rear wheel
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    Well I hope all that helped sort the rear wheel and single sided swingarm stuff, now someone show me how to fit the Blackbird motor in my Blade

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!
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    Default Re: SSSA Conversion, and blackbird conversion

    what size tire are you running on that car wheel?

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    200 x 50 x 17 mate. same as a ZX10
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBRRRT View Post
    My blade with a SSSA and car rear wheel
    ...one day when I'm big...
    You know how it is when you lean back too far in your chair and almost fall backwards, but save yourself at the last second? I feel like that all day.

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    Well I guess there no use in me writing it all up now.

    So anyways, I got it all trogether. brake line is to short and my chain is to short. vfr sprocket is a 530 so to big(wide). I might just shave it down,lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOTASON View Post
    Well I guess there no use in me writing it all up now.

    Really sorry mate, just thought the information would help you do your conversion. I'll mail the moderators and have it removed for you.. Never ment to offend, just to help.
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    Its done mate, I have reported all 3 how to's and asked for them to be removed. Once again, sorry for that fella, my bad.
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    Oh brother it did help,alot!!! Im just a smart ass most of the time.

    leave it I dont care, the more info the better right?

    sprokets: I have a mill that will take down the edge of the new/old vfr sprocket. make it so my skinny chain will work. can you do this or should I just buy a new sproket. The sprokets new not even used.Its steel too.
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    They my contact you bud and ask if you want them removed, its cool by me either way, just felt bad for the hi-jack.

    I had a new sprocket made with a VFR middle and took the oppertunity to have 3 extra teth added to the 525 outer. Its has the effect of helping the front end to lift a bit easier, and lots more go throught the gears
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    I'm confused. But since you both seem to be ok with what got posted, I'm just going to leave it...
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